How can Christians accept the Bible when the various versions contradict itself? May 18, 2008
Posted by revolution in : Christianity, Knowledge, Qur'Än, Videos , trackbackAhmed Deedat talks about the contradictions in the various versions of the Bible and how verses are missing from one to the other.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kNynoTWVxDk&fmt=18
How can you, the Christian, accept Christianity whilst knowing that one version is different from the other whereas the Qur’aan has only one version that has never changed since its revelation?
How can the Bible be the word of God when man keeps changing it?
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Salam alaikum,
I noticed you are posting links to Youtube, and I would like to bring to your attention what is stated in the Terms of Use of Youtube:
“You agree that: (i) the YouTube Website shall be deemed solely based in California; and (ii) the YouTube Website shall be deemed a passive website that does not give rise to personal jurisdiction over YouTube, either specific or general, in jurisdictions other than California. These Terms of Service shall be governed by the internal substantive laws of the State of California, without respect to its conflict of laws principles. Any claim or dispute between you and YouTube that arises in whole or in part from the YouTube Website shall be decided exclusively by a court of competent jurisdiction located in San Mateo County, California.”
I think it’s worth stopping and reflecting about what is really implied by using that site, and I hope that it doesn’t constitute Kufr Akbar because of Tahakum to other than Allah. Youtube is not the only site which has this kind of conditions, there are many others including YoutubeIslam, IslamicTube, AOL Video, etc. Today I asked Shaykh Salem al-Amry what would be the ruling on visiting such websites, and at first he said don’t visit those sites, then I mentioned Youtube and the other sites and he asked me to send him the exact clauses so he could take a closer look.
I can show you other examples of such Terms of Use:
AOL Video:
“27. CHOICE OF LAW AND LOCATION FOR RESOLVING DISPUTES. You agree that the law of the Commonwealth of Virginia governs this contract and any claim or dispute that you may have against us, without regard to Virginia’s conflict of laws rules, and that the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods shall have no applicability. You further agree that any disputes or claims that you may have against us will be resolved by a court located in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
PLEASE NOTE THAT BY AGREEING TO THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE: (1) WAIVING CLAIMS THAT YOU MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE AGAINST US BASED ON THE LAWS OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING YOUR OWN; (2) IRREVOCABLY CONSENTING TO THE EXCLUSIVE jurisdiction OF, and venue IN, state or federal courts in THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA OVER ANY DISPUTES OR CLAIMS YOU HAVE WITH US; AND (3) SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO THE PERSONAL JURISDICTION OF COURTS LOCATED IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESOLVING ANY SUCH DISPUTES OR CLAIMS”
IslamicTube:
8. This User Agreement and any disputes arising out of or related to the Service and the Sites shall be governed by, and construed and enforced in accordance with, the laws of the City of Espoo, Finland and/or the European Union. By your usage of, or your posting to, this site constitutes your agreement to, but not limited to, the current conditions listed in this agreement.
To me it sounds like something very dangerous… I don’t know what you think about that.
Brother,
Is conflict with Christians inevitable?
Hakim
Dear Hakim,
Your question is a very broad question. Please specify.
Generally speaking, Islaam allows for Christianity to stay alive under its rule provided that the Christians pay the Jizyah. So there is tolerance at a certain level. However, this will be abolished when Prophet Jesus returns as he will only allow humanity to either accept Islaam or face the sword. Of course, the people will see that he is a Prophet and they will accept him as they will be in complete awe of him and only the defiantly arrogant ones will be eliminated. This will be the final process of cleansing the earth from its filth.
Thanks.
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Very interesting that there is an agreement with Christians and Muslims that Jesus is coming back, but for very different reasons. Do you think the time is soon? our lifetime?
Telly -
Yes, there are prophetic traditions in Islaam that indicate the time will be very soon. Only Allah knows if it will occur in our lifetime. One of the major indications is that the water in the Sea of Galilee would have to dry up before his arrival. Today, the water in the Sea of Galilee is at a record low level. So the time for his arrival will be soon. There will be other events that will have to play out first before his arrival and these events by themselves have indications of when to expect them.
Is it not possible that the Sea of Galilee will refill back to its normal level? How can you be sure?
I have only basic knowledge of the muslim religion, so i have to ask, why do you believe the koran is a true book? I, as an atheist, do not accept christianity after years of studying the bible and it’s history, but have only read a few passages of the koran. I know the story goes that muhammad went up to the clouds on a golden chariot and spoke to an angel, but where is the logic that this actually happened, as compared to the stories of the bible?
I heard this man’s argument about no discrepencies, but I have found a page with a large list of contradictions throughout the koran [edited: no anti-Islaamic links]
There may be answers to these contradictions, as there are to many of the biblical contradictions that I have heard, but even if you can shut down all of these contradictions, how does that make it true? There are an enormous amount of fictional, non-contradictory books out there, but that does not make it a true story. Could you please explain this to me?
Tyler -
The answer to your question is to read the Qur’aan yourself, especially in its original language of Arabic. To correct you on one thing, the Qur’aan is not a “book” in the commonly understood term. It’s not read out in a logical fashion like a story book nor is it only about one topic or story. Rather, it is a “guidance for mankind” or Huda al-Linnaas. This is the purpose that the Qur’aan serves. To call it a book is to downgrade its image. It’s much above and superior to any text today.
As for the story of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, going to the heavens, this a real event not only because it is a part of our creed, but also he was able to describe Jerusalem to the local people of Makkah when he returned from his journey. But this story is a side issue and not the major issue; rather, the major issue is your disbelief in Allah. Once you become Muslim, this story only adds to your conviction in faith and belief. It’s good that you reject all the other gods, but now you should see why you should accept Allah as the Lord of Everything.
I invite you to watch this lecture entitled, “Science proves Quran is from Allah” by Shaykh Yusuf Estes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_u5bkXHuJE
As for the so-called contradictions, this website has refuted them:
http://answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
The Qur’aan is not fictional; it is a revelation from the only God, Allah. Allah has taken an oath by the Qur’aan that if anyone has any doubt in it, then they must make a chapter similar to it or even a verse. Many Arabs of the past have taken up this challenge and have failed miserably. You can read about this here:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/
I also recommend that website in general as it will broaden your intellect regarding the Qur’aan.
I hope your sincere search for the truth leads you to this path of Islaam. If you have any further questions, please ask.
Brian -
Please, stop acting like how the cowardly Christians respond by dodging the main question. The Bible has many versions. How can you accept that? How can it be the word of God when man keeps changing it?
As Muslims, we do believe that the Christian text was unadulterated until Paul came along and spoiled everything. So for sure, there are some positive things in the Bible as well as correct things; but as Muslims, we neither completely accept the Bible nor completely reject it. This is the balanced view.
And please, don’t try to prove Science with the Bible. Read your history. Galileo Galilei tried doing it and look what the Church did to him.
Larry,
Thank you for dropping by.
You wrote,
To have such beliefs makes one an Apostate.
You wrote,
Yes, the Qur’aan is perfect. You can read about it here:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/
Okay lets’ see if I can rephrase my response without what seems to be offending you since you don’t leave my post up for very long. The first part of my response should not be a problem since I’m only repeating thoughts that you have directed to me, and I quote “How can you, the Christian, accept Christianity whilst knowing that one version is different from the other…” Being a Christian I guess you should not take offense if I attempt to answer this. The spirit of what is written does not change. Unless its’ not a version of which you speak of, but a paraphrase. You are knowledgeable so I know I don’t have to explain the difference. But even in the version, one must remember that the original writings of the Bible were not Arabic, English, German, Latin and numerous other languages. It was both written in part in Greek and Hebrew. Keeping this in mind, any translation, and I do mean any translation by definition is purely dependent upon the individual ability and knowledge of the language in question and the one being translated to. The question then becomes was this person in accomplishing this translation moved by the Spirit of God or of Satan? You are welcome to respond via my e-mail if posting does not suit you.
“Seek knowledge from cradle to grave”
Nick -
Thank you for following the blog rules.
I’m quite shocked by your reply Nick. Instead of answering me directly, you dodged the question. Basically, I was asking, “How can the Bible be the word of God when man changed it… is it not the word of man now?” You should be extremely offended by the fact that men have changed your Holy Book.
And it wasn’t like one or two translators Nick. We are talking about major Christian organizations backed by many well-known Christian Scholars. I strongly suggest you watch the video in my original post and if you already have, then please watch the full debate here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BdDi-1CPmwE
Jimmy Swaggart is cornered by this argument.
What I am trying to say in all of this is that the Bible is not the word of God but a word which is mixed of men and God. This book is no longer Holy, but tainted with and corrupted upon. How can a Christian live with this reality and still have “faith”? How do you know that what you have “faith” in is in actuality, faith in the words of men (such as Jesus being the son of God or God himself) instead of God?
That’s the biggest problem.